tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869075072931465663.post610973910665684384..comments2023-09-15T13:34:10.017+01:00Comments on Cognitive Blindspot: Hi! China!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869075072931465663.post-27365842094776297342008-02-14T14:58:00.000+00:002008-02-14T14:58:00.000+00:00noisms: You say "we" a lot in your comment, "we sh...<B>noisms:</B> You say "we" a lot in your comment, "we should" do this or "we are" that: who is "we"?<BR/><BR/>If actions in the UN by Western governments and others fail to resolve or even hint at change in Sudan, why shouldn't celebrities/Nobel laureates/regular people speak out to a country that actually has strong ties with Sudan?<BR/><BR/>Good point on the "how many countries buy oil..."NathanRyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17963023116440525852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869075072931465663.post-5564809996024155152008-02-14T14:52:00.000+00:002008-02-14T14:52:00.000+00:00bilbo - that's one heck of a cynical broadside!<B>bilbo</B> - that's one heck of a cynical broadside!NathanRyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17963023116440525852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869075072931465663.post-67749023848958979442008-02-14T14:46:00.000+00:002008-02-14T14:46:00.000+00:00zero_zero_one: Of course it's hypocrisy. Those 'no...<B>zero_zero_one</B>: Of course it's hypocrisy. Those 'nobel laureates' (together with Mia Farrow or Stephen Spielberg or whichever celebrity feels like jumping on a bandwagon that particular day) should be lobbying their <I>own</I> governments to do more before they go pointing fingers at China. The only countries in the world that are in a position to do anything concrete in the Sudan are the US, the UK, and France; they haven't particularly bothered, so I'm not about to say that China should. (The fact that they buy a lot of Sudanese oil notwithstanding; how many countries in the world buy oil from nasty governments and do nothing to try to change them?)<BR/><BR/>This takes something away from the Olympics by turning it into a political issue when it should be anything but. It's a detraction from what should be an apolitical event. <BR/><BR/>As far as the sentiment goes, I don't disagree but nor do I agree. To be frank, I'm sick of all the hand-wringing that goes on about these situations. Either we care about the people in Darfur or we don't; either we do something serious to try to help them, or we do nothing at all. The Chinese have chosen the latter option and at least that's ethically consistent - and really, all our soapboxing and grandstanding amounts to about the same thing. It certainly isn't helping anybody in the Sudan.<BR/><BR/><B>bilbo</B>: You're right. But I think our hypocrisy is worse - because at least the Chinese and Japanese don't go around lecturing the rest of the world on how to behave ON TOP of being hypocrites.noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869075072931465663.post-61737997960382926782008-02-14T13:54:00.000+00:002008-02-14T13:54:00.000+00:00I'll meet you halfway on this one: yes, we in the ...I'll meet you halfway on this one: yes, we in the West can be hypocritical in these things. But so can the Chinese. And the Japanese. And everyone else. People in Darfur are dying...too bad...maybe if they all die, there'll be fewer people to have to relocate so we can drill for the oil. That's my cynical broadside for the day.Bilbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14213505386288233192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869075072931465663.post-48168332022592566962008-02-14T13:51:00.000+00:002008-02-14T13:51:00.000+00:00Hmmm... I don't deny that there are things "the We...Hmmm... I don't deny that there are things "the West" could be doing, but is this really a case of "the West's" hypocrisy? From what I'd read, Spielberg is acting off the back of a group of people (Nobel laureates etc) raising the profile of the Sudan/Darfur situation and the fact that China has a lot invested in the region (in terms of oil purchase and weapons sales).<BR/><BR/>Is this really taking something away from the Olympics? I don't think so. Even if you think it is (in some sense) hypocritical it do you disagree with the sentiment behind it?NathanRyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17963023116440525852noreply@blogger.com